What Do You Think?!?! - Page 2

SLY · #1 11-15-2009, 05:48 AM

You see, if more people were allowed to go direct, you wouldn't have all these overcrowded apparatus issues.

farmchick711 · #2 11-16-2009, 07:47 AM

i think you should have a sit down with the company and telll them what you are seeing happen and what you think should happen.if they dont feel the same well then let it stand the way it is now.

RLBrown · #3 11-16-2009, 09:09 AM

Everyone Goes Home! Or you could forget the idea of an undertrained individual all together... Doesn't a firefighter have to have some sort of minimal hazmat training in the commonwealth to be a fireman, not that it makes one properly trained anyway. Correct me if I'm wrong. Every time the bells go, I don't wanna see any of my brothers not come back!

catchgoal · #4 11-16-2009, 10:19 AM

frack man i agree with the jr. Bill you taught me in essentials. you taught me alot but if you are not trained why send an sr member to his death to try to rescue a victum.Rit should not have to go in for fire men . The jr can hold a hose and do fire ground support while the old guys go be the heros. If you push the jrs away now then when all the old guys cant go any more who will fill their shoes. push them away and they leave you have a dead fire house. the old guy had his chance if he does not show up much then leave him at the station jr can pull his wieght at station or on the fire grounds. it is time for some of the old guys to see that with out the young members to help and learn your fire hyouse will not move forward and have members when the old guys are too old

Hunter Martin · #5 11-16-2009, 01:21 PM

frackman i would have to agree with Bill Hall on this one. Bill Hall taught me all 4 mods with the live burn and he is an extreamly intelligent and knowledgable man. I know exactly how you feel tho being that i was a junior too just a couple months ago. I know it sucks having to stay back or when you make a seat then being told to get off cuz someone else showed up. But look at it this way if you go to an accident you cant work the tools you can crib the vehicle but so can an undertrained senior. At a working fire as a junior yes you can do fire ground support and work a line outside but so can an undertrained senior, and with the senior member you dont have to worry about breaking child labor laws. And another thing to remember is that theres always gonna be another call. theres always gonna be another wreck or fire to go to. So keep up with the training and try to keep a positive attitude your day will come too when you get to be the senior guy.

catchgoal · #6 11-16-2009, 01:58 PM

Again look at it this way fire is changing accidents are changing if the old bucks sr men whatever you want to call them they wont be worth any thing compared to the jr who is current on all of the new and latest traings. The sr memember is a danger to all of his men. i do not want him in beside me to save somebody i want the trained man. yea a jr cant go in ok but do you want a sr with out trainging to stand with you in a fire. How about give the jr the outside hose so the sr member can go in to help save. do you want a sr man standing there holdind a ladder when a jr can do that and the sr man can go play hero. it is not all about the glory but train the young bucks now before it is too late and they become the old and untrained. Yea i am a young sr man but i got essentials r i t forceable entry buliding construction classes and much more all bec i wan to learn. if the jr has the drive and detication to want to be there teach him and reward that. dont let the old and out trained ride bec he is your buddy or he can go in. he can and will be a danger. let the jr play and learn also like i said before with out jr now there wont be sr tomorow

Avenger23 · #7 11-16-2009, 03:01 PM

Clint,
Dude I am sorry but I've been in your situation before and the first thing I did was talk it over with the officers not the InfoBoard at Lancasterfire.com, if there is one place to make yourself and your company look bad this is it. As a junior, yeah I'd be upset but as a firefighter I know on the fireground or whatever the incident juniors as we are, can't do much because of laws. When you think about it you understand what goes through the heads of seniors and the officers and that would be safety.

Catchgoal,
Now if you're going to say those things man like I said not here. And man who'd you learn about firefighting from? Five bucks says its that you learned from those old guys you keep bashing. How in the world is a senior who is untrained a major safety hazard? The officers and other seniors should know that they are untrained and not to put them in a situation where they would be a hazard. It sounds like you want your firehouse run by a bunch of juniors. Just think about what you say before you say ok? No reason to make you and your company look bad.

catchgoal · #8 11-16-2009, 03:09 PM

my company is great i am saying in general. we only have two jrs any more but those two jrs work so hard every call and at every training. but i have bean in his shoes before it is horrible when you do so much and a guy girl whatever takes a seat that you work for. it aint right what i say is from me not at my station dont ever bring them in it please. i have my views on this. i was taught from wathching and learning on the fire ground. i went to classes and made my way up.but i wnt drive and detication beside my noe just age. agew is a number not skill level or trust. my sr members at my station have helped me but i also learned from watching at the secenes. and as for saftey hazards they are bec if they are un safe then they put us all at risk.

dkstoltzfus · #9 11-16-2009, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by catchgoal

my company is great i am saying in general. we only have two jrs any more but those two jrs work so hard every call and at every training. but i have bean in his shoes before it is horrible when you do so much and a guy girl whatever takes a seat that you work for. it aint right what i say is from me not at my station dont ever bring them in it please. i have my views on this. i was taught from wathching and learning on the fire ground. i went to classes and made my way up.but i wnt drive and detication beside my noe just age. agew is a number not skill level or trust. my sr members at my station have helped me but i also learned from watching at the secenes. and as for saftey hazards they are bec if they are un safe then they put us all at risk.

Please make your next class an "English class". I get a headache trying to read your posts.

Avenger23 · #10 11-16-2009, 03:25 PM

"my company is great ---------
and as for saftey hazards they are bec if they are un safe then they put us all at risk."

Dude, one: all company's are great because what they do. Two: You didn't support and agruement in that last sentence and pretty much made yourself look like a Donkey Three: Use proper grammar.